The Black Community Have to Consider the Difference between Hipster Blacks and Real Blacks When It Comes to Handling Our Issues

hoodvshipster A black chick paying $4 for a latte at Starbucks in north suburban Atlanta ain’t dealing with the same issues a black chick in Southeast Atlanta who Section 8 apartment is now being converted into AirBnB units and she have to pray she wins the Section 8 lottery for housing next year. A black dude who buys a used Mercedes E-class from CarMax and work at a corporate job in downtown Atlanta is not the same as a black dude from College Park who have to take MARTA to work two part-time jobs near Lenox Mall in the mall and at the hotel and most of it goes to child support. We got real black folks with real ass problems out there being silenced and downplayed because some entitlement-seeking, respect-seeking black hipsters want to complain, shame and hope to be heard. thisastudentmovement We are looking at black students on a college / university campus where they only going to spend 4 years of their life wasting their time fighting some worthless ass battle that ain’t going to mean a damn thing the day after they graduate. What is going to happen is these newly minted black hipster graduates will realize a young counterpart from Taiwan, India or China student have honed expertise in business/technology skills and they just took yer job! We are looking at plans in Chicago to gentrify certain communities and move the poor urban blacks out to the suburbs while the descendants of white flight move back into the city so they can take a bikesharing lane to Starbucks to buy a latte in an urban environment. What I’m trying to get at is we have two types of African-Americans and it is based on socio-economic status and we can’t lose focus on the real issues. Let me call out Chicago – you notice how much shooting and killing (reported – not unreported but reported - rapes are extremely high in Chicago black communities but not newsworthy, I guess) but you see your Facebook friends in Chicago got a Paris flag overlayed on their Facebook profile pic? Isn’t Chicago the same city where 100-200 people in the black community get shot every other weekend when the weather is above 50 degrees? But these Chicago hipster blacks got some Frenchie flag overlayed on their Facebook profile as if they never saw their teenage niece corpse laying in a casket at a cheap funereal home on the South Side of Chicago, killed for being at the wrong place at the wrong time and she ain’t coming back either and she could have been grew up and been someone. Oh no, the Chicago hipster blacks got new steppin or coonin dance moves to show off and they got Frenchie flags on their Facebook picture profile – this is the hipster black stuff we talking about. Black Lives Matters has manifested into some black hipster bullshit – they might as well make “Cool Like Dat” by Digable Planets their theme song while they are at it. Black Lives Matters want to promote nothing but a dissenting attitude and shaming campaigns like someone in America ever gave a f*ck we black people have grievances. Meanwhile, some black child in our black community has to go to sleep hungry or never go outside and play out of fear of being shot while these black hipsters who come from suburban middle-class home rearing are all on television crying about being offended by micro-aggression and trying to get someone fired because they were offended by the micro-aggression someone expressed over the Internet. wearrived This is something I blogged about years ago. I stated that the black community cannot rely on the black middle-class for a damn thing because the black middle-class is content on having a suburban home, corporate job and a used E-class Mercedes they bought at CarMax. It will be the black folks who actually have to live in crime-ridden and downtrodden black communities who are hungry and fight hard as hell above the adverse environment around them that is going to come out and truly give a passionate damn about our people, our community and our future and will put everything on it. And I am one of those kind of cats who came out of LeClaire Courts and the West Side of Chicago and I’m about this ish 100%. westside I know the majority of cats who read Dream and Hustle don’t live on Karlov and Washington up in Chicago – I know that and fully aware of that. I do know the majority of black folks running their mouth on Twitter about being offended and got type to create memes trying to get others to laugh are some black hipsters from suburbia black families who don’t have to be black if they don’t want to. Really, these black folks have the option to act like an assimilated sellout because they shop at Whole Foods and spend $4 on coffee at Starbucks but lament on how oppressed they are by white privilege. I had to fully understand that I needed a new way to reach those blacks who don’t have the opportunity to be a sellout because they are in the hood and they don’t even know if they can pay all of their utility bills next month much less the rent because the job they working at ain’t treating black folks right – this is the real black folks stuff that concerns me personally, not this black hipster crap. thatsyourighthere Look, I understand mommy and daddy moved out to the suburbs and you Black Lives Matter characters had to be the only 75 black students in a mega-high school complex in a white suburb, I get that. But you hipster blacks know you are from a different socio-economic status that gives you opportunity to go up another level that true poor blacks do not have equally and you hipster blacks done not a damn thing to reach into those poor blacks with real black problems and show them their black lives matter while you running around chanting “Black Lives Matter” so some white person who too ashamed to reveal they actually grew up in Indiana or West Virginia. Coming to my damn blog talking about I need to use proper English with your black hipster ass. If we want black lives to matter then you black hipsters better start looking at claiming the black community you ran away or mommy and daddy ran away from. In other words, you better start looking at how to rebuild black communities and deal with black crime that is out of control. Huffington Post cannot help your black hipster ass with those solutions, you have to roll up your sleeves to put in work and check your heart and find that spot that gives a damn about caring for our people, our community our future and do the real stuff to make black lives matter. The rest of us real black folks, we cannot be distracted by these hipster blacks at a college/university complaining against them instead of innovating for us – we real black folks better stay focus on our black communities, our land, our homes, our food supply, emergency preparedness and economic opportunities. To be honest, I really .. I mean really don’t appreciate you hipster ass black folks clogging up mainstream media and other social media outlets with your hipster ass black issues taking away from real black issues. If you Black Lives Matters and you hipster black students want to know who is using the media to distract everybody away from real black issues, you might want to look in the damn mirror....

33 thoughts on “The Black Community Have to Consider the Difference between Hipster Blacks and Real Blacks When It Comes to Handling Our Issues

  1. Great post and spot on point, plus these suburbian black lives matters and black hipster people don’t even like or associate with the very people they claim to champion.

  2. Wow…”Digable Planets” as the poster of Hipster Blacks? Really?

    The internal struggles of the group is reflective of your entire article. They were torn between “being true” (their position) and commercialism (their label’s position). They chose to breakup rather than sell out (figuratively or literally). The video posted was from their debut “Reachin” album – a product of their label. The follow-up album was “Blowout Comb and breakup” – a product of the group. It was night and day different from “Reachin”. The group was aware of and not happy about what was going on with their image/brand and walked away from a lot of fame and money to stay true to themselves and the messages in their music.

    Just so you know…

    [Note: Atlanta’s Ludacris or a whole bunch of other cats/groups/collectives who would only occasionally – and weakly – broach substantive Black issues would be a much more appropriate “poster child” for Black Hipsters]

    1. For the audio or time-challenged readers:

      Pretty much sums it up. Digable Planets should be the thesis, rather than the antithesis, of your article. No disrepect, but they wrote your article and put it to music – waaaay back in the mid-90s.

      Then, they simply “dropped da mic”, threw up the Black Panther salute, and walked off, stage left.

    2. Yep, after getting signed with the first hipster album Digable Planets tried to switch it up and keep it real. And the album flopped hard only lauded by purists but too little too late. I’m very familiar with the Blowout Comb album and all the weird solo projects afterwards – they were hipsters in denial and a good example of the hipster BLM movement and these hipster black college students protesting…

      “Cool Like Dat” is their one hit wonder and made them who they are. Blowout Comb was a nice album but it is still a nice hipster attempt at black consciousness.

      It’s okay to be hipster and weird but we cannot let our weirdness and hipsterism distort and distract the true scene and core .. because it was that Blowout Comb flopping that pave the way for the East Coast to move away from that style of hip-hop and embrace gangsta rap..

    3. “they were hipsters in denial”

      What, in your opinion, would you put forth as being the antithesis of that? The article does not offer examples of “Real Blacks”.

      We are not homogeneous. One might argue – quite effectively – that both “Real Blacks” (whatever that is) and “Hipsters” both have value in the Black community because they both reach out, albeit using different methods to reach different audiences. Communicating effectively requires that one communicates in a language and style most appropriate for the audience being addressed.

      I will fill in the “Real Blacks” blank space myself for expediency to make this point:

      The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan is effective at reaching the Black community because he has mastered the language and style most appropriate for that audience. However, is a complete failure in affecting real change because that language and style is anathema to communicating effectively with those who have the power to affect real change AND it he has failed to motivate enough of his audience to mobilize to affect real change themselves (by showing up to vote, run for office, or enter law enforcement careers).

      I will fill in the “Hipster” blank space myself for expediency to make this point:

      President Barack Obama is effective because he mastered the art of communication. He has real power. He is affecting real change. He is a “Hipster” – full stop. He is the antithesis of the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan.

      Both of the above handle “our issues”, but which of the two is more effective and wields more power? Yes, that is a rhetorical question. 🙂

  3. In fact, your entire article could be a derivative of their ““Blowout Comb and breakup” album. They VERY effectively address all the issues in your article and then some…

    Give it a listen.

  4. Regarding the posted “Food Deserts” video:

    My “Uncle Charles” was the founder of Super Pride Supermarkets. Growing up in the Greenmount Ave. area in Baltimore (think “The Wire”, but before the crack/heroin era), he took me under his wing at age 10-11 as the after-school and weekends Office Boy when the headquarters was still in a cramped small office building on 25th Street near Barclay St. My duties were to assist the accounting clerks with filing, sweeping up, and running lunch errands and such.

    The collapse of the inner-city (crime) is what caused the failure of super markets in the Black community.

    [Ironically, my then unknown half-brother was killed in 1993 while robbing a Super Pride Supermarkets in Park Heights (think “The Wire”, but closer to the main Jewish enclave) to support his 3 year-old daughter.]

    The Black condition emanates from lack of education (i.e. ignorance), lack of voter participation (i.e. ignorance), and media brain-washing (i.e. ignorance). Eradicating ignorance is the ONLY way to improve the Black condition. It is not a new concept. Frederick Douglass wrote about it way back in the mid-1800s.

    Today, it does not take much effort to implement. Knowledge is everywhere and easily accessed by anyone who can ask Google. The main obstacle is INTEREST – not something external to the Black community. Black people are easily distracted. Even more so with the advent of the Internet and commercialization of Black culture vis-a-vis messaging through music – and the bamboozling entertainment industry in general.

    “I didn’t know I was a slave until I found out I couldn’t do the things I wanted.” – Frederick Douglass
    “Knowledge is the pathway from slavery to freedom.” – Frederick Douglass

    I do not think it is possible to “[re]claim the Black community” because the community is disinterested. Turning on social media, reality shows, professional sports, game consoles, etc. requires much less effort. Thus, that is what a disinterested community will do.

    I know I am going off on a tangent here, but I am reminded of a mind-blowing lecture given by my Economics professor on the subject of Opportunity Cost (read up for details). The lecture was several classes long, but in one of those classes, he proposed that we think of time as currency. In that context, everyone on the planet has equal wealth. What we do throughout our day reflects what we perceive as being what we value most or what we perceive to be the wisest use of our currency. So, he went into a lot of scenarios about which I would love to detail, but the point is this (my conclusion, not his): Despite all the rhetoric, the Black community does not REALLY value not being ignorant. If they/we did, then people would spend their daily currency allotment doing activities to NOT be ignorant. Quite the contrary, members of the Black community consciously spend a WHOLE LOT of daily currency to REMAIN ignorant (!!!).

    So, in conclusion, it is rational to spend time helping those who want to change their condition. It is irrational to spend time helping those hell-bent on being ignorant.

    I’ll stop here because I need to spend some of that same currency doing something else to earn more of the “green” currency. 😉

    1. We also have to consider subsidization through social entitlements as an economic factor. Public housing and public aid and footstamps made some not hungry – no different than a stray who eat scraps by humans but never learned to hunt. Why solve a problem or get better when a gov check is coming in on the 1st and 15th?

  5. This article was a challenging read for me, with a lot of gems throughout. It seems to label people who have the ability to be at a certain socio-economic level as “fake” black people. They’re not real, I guess. Whats troubling is that I look to this “fake” community as a voice for the black community. A voice that has the ability to reach further since our low income communities have been shunned and don’t have necessary resources to speak on the platforms or engage with people necessary to make change. Some of these “fake” black people will have garnered the finances, economic poll, or political position to make changes in the black communities who have no say.

    We should hope that our offspring, our contemporaries in the lowest socio-economic positions have an opportunity to work their way up financially and economically so that they may have children who can escape certain communities, be able to stand back assess the problems and bring in change. As opposed to being trapped from the inside wondering how to change things.

    Question for Ed: Do you want your children growing up in a place where the murder rates are higher or lower? If our children are growing up in war zones we face a great challenge trying to cultivate them into individuals who can make positive change for SOCIETY as a whole. Pursuing the growth of our community and helping us all rise in a socio-economic standing is the goal. Blacks are gradually rising and pulling more and more power and finances everyday, ones who have made part of the shift are categorized as “fake”? Sounds fake brotha.

    1. Before you wrote the question for me paragraph, you didn’t finished or missed a point.

      OK you said in the first paragraph we consider the hipsters fake and second paragraph you like to see those in the lowest socioeconomic category make it.

      What are the fake people supposed to do, nothing? Not help the lowest socioeconomic population? You seem to miss the part of what those hipsters should do or help thoses with a hand up. I found that interesting.

      If the hipsters who hyper-offended nature is based highly upon what real blacks go through, don’t they have some obligation to those they capitalize their oversensitivity to micro-aggression upon?

      So the last paragraph as your question, you missed or left out this part and wonder if you can add this in your statement.

  6. I say they’re “fake” to follow the logic your described in your article, and articulate my point by which you defined the people. The point of your blog post was making a separation between low socio-economic blacks and middle-higher socio-economic blacks. Your logic is that one should be considered fake and the other should be considered real.

    If you think I am saying that people of higher economic standing are not obligated to help THEIR people of a lower economic standing you should reread my comment. I say to the contrary,

    “We should hope that our offspring, our contemporaries in the lowest socio-economic positions have an opportunity to work their way up financially and economically so that they may have children who can escape certain communities, be able to stand back assess the problems and bring in change. As opposed to being trapped from the inside wondering how to change things.”

    That is me saying that as people garner the resources to come out of impoverished states it is imperative that they feed back into their communities to speed up the process of not only educating their brothers and sisters but provide them the helping hand and foresight to come out of their situations.

    My issue with the article is that you’re claiming these people that come out of their communities into higher socio-economic positions are “fake”. This I don’t agree with.

    As far as hyper-offended hipsters, that is a real umbrella statement you might have to be careful with. That is a crude generalization of what some people have or have not gone through. Now! Do I think I hyper-sensitivity exists? Yes, without a doubt, and more so in this day and age then EVER. There is no question as to that. But are we at liberty to criticize their struggle or deem them hyper sensitive without proper knowledge. No. They could be first generation middle class citizens (a lot of them are). Children who had parents that made it from slums and ghettos.

    Appreciate the reply brotha, great conversation.


    1. I cannot help but notice you appear to be more concerned about the “fake” label than understanding base and derivatives which is what this article is really about.

      I know what you trying to say and you want to take blackness to the generic level of being socioeconomic-neutral.

      Yes a middle class suburban black should care about poor black folks and their plight as they derived their manufactured state of oppression through a manufactured self-identity attributed to the poor black community base issues.

      But should any poor black person with real problems have to care or be concerned about black hipster middle class students problems who actually can afford to go to college and learn something?

      That’s where you appear to struggle in my opinion – trying to legitimatize the plight of the privileged hipster black and have us black folks at large buy in when there are real problems at the base to tackle.

  7. I understand the base of these issues completely. As to focusing on labeling alone, your article is centering around the labeling more then anything and attributing a wash of characteristics to a demographic (much like our oppressors do). If I am understanding the article correctly your frustration arises from the fact that issues that garner attention are ones stemming from a more privileged black community (the fake one) and not enough light being shed on the real issues that are keeping “real” black issues at bay. No one is addressing mass incarceration, the imbalance of economic, educational, and resource distribution. This I understand.

    The comment on taking blackness to a generic level of socioeconmoic neutral I am not understanding. You gotta explain that.

    My goal is not to legitimize any struggle. Thats the point of my response, not struggle is at our discretion to legitimize. My point is to look at facts. Facts are, we are being oppressed as a community. The oppression stems deep into the fabric and foundation of our society. It takes deep eradication to pull it our from the base. My overall point. These so called “hipster” black people are vital in the overthrow of our oppressor.

    You can “buy in” to what you want. But the goal remains the same. Identify the injustice and get to the root. We need people who can Identify with our communities struggle in every spot of society to help change the schedule from the inside out.

    Not to mention many students of this black hipster group go to college to study subjects to help their people. I ask you take a step back from emotionalism.


  8. BJD and Ed:

    There we go bamboozling ourselves again with labels. “Pull up, Scotty!” 😉

    Labels, a discussion of which would be worthy of its own article (hint, hint), is the sort of trickery that got us onto the boat (“He not my tribe. He go with White man.”) in the first place. Labels are what sowed the seeds of envy and distrust during slavery (“House nigga” v Field nigga”). Labels are what continue to divide us now – even in this private forum (!).

    Just imagine for a moment if Ed went through all his articles and removed every label. What would remain?

    I personally had the epiphany decades ago and resolved to eliminate my use and dependency on labels because it was a manifestation of my ignorance. Labels made me lazy. It required far less effort to slap a label on someone or a group and avoid appreciating their complexities and exceptionalities.

    Repeating what I posted earlier: We are not homogenous.

    If we all removed all the use of labels in our lives, it would help remove the ignorance of and within our community because then we would be forced to appreciate and understand each other and our struggles more deeply rather than waste our daily currency allotment debating labels.

    Labels do have a place, but let’s not use them as a crutch for understanding far more complex issues, each other, or ourselves.

    1. I think most people here are smarter than BJD trying to reduce this article to be about “labeling” and that is just bike shedding at best to avoid the complex issue. And most of us can already spotted a hipster trying to defend hipsterism under the guise of being a non-party already – I was just going to give it time before it all comes out and be obvious. Because clearly no one real hood would even be entertaining the conversation BJD is having – I have to deal with someone who child was killed in Chicago – like I said, only a hipster entertains what BJD was posting, not anyone else in the black community as we got real issues to address out here.

      The article specifically states the black community must understand the difference. There is a difference between the hipster black grievances and the actual black community grievances. To answer your earlier question, the top photo above clearly show what is “real black” showing a black man dealing with a real situation with mostly black women trying to secure a Section 8 application – that is a real issue that requires a real response. Being hyper-offended at micro-aggression at a 4-year higher educational institution is not a black issue and anyone who want to even entertain such a notion is a hipster in denial or a closet hipster at best.

    2. What I took from BJD’s replies was that he was simply expressing confusion about the point of the article. When he substituting the word “fake” for the word “Hipster”, he was simply trying to confirm/test if in fact that was the message you were conveying. I did not get the impression that he was attacking you or the article at all. He was just trying to clarify the take-away message.

      I do not speak for him, but that is just my impression of his responses. [BTW, I am defaulting to the masculine pronoun because BJD’s sex is unknown.]

      Regarding the labeling and pretenses: I am a Real Black Hipster. I fully and unapologetic-ally embrace both labels. Both photos are of me, depending upon the situation in my life at any given time. I grew up poor (well, American poor) primarily in Baltimore (ages 10-32) and intimately know the strife and struggles of the pro-jects, homelessness, welfare dependency, and other situations. I worked full-time during high school (although illegal) and carried 18-21 credits per semester while working 1 full-time and 2 part-time jobs through university while also supporting my mother and girlfriend (at that time). I’ve been a Big Brother, mentor, and surrogate father-figure to countless kids. I’ve helped many strangers deal with various issues, including housing, rape, and substance abuse.

      That qualifies me a “Real Black” (?). Eventually, I decided to be selfish and focus on just me instead, because that is what I needed after so many years of focusing on the needs of others. That qualifies me as a “Hipster” (?). These days, I flow between many labels – depends upon the day, I suppose.

      I do not think I am any more or less qualified to address our community’s issues because of whatever label is assigned to me by whomever. Likewise, I do not have to be physically “present and accounted for” to be actively involved in affecting change within the Black community. As BJD pointed out, it is essential (I would argue aspirational) for those of us who have the capacity to improve our personal condition FIRST before reaching back to improve the condition of our community. I can pull up or push up many more if my footing is solid.

      That said, the student protesters are raising awareness of our communities’ condition. “Black Lives Matter” is their slogan. Having been there and done that during my university years (“Fight the Power!”, and all that). I think their efforts and energy are misguided in the sense that they could be a LOT more effective if they instead were to get people to vote, run for office, or pursue careers in law enforcement. A slogan of “Blacks should be cops!” echoing throughout the community would foster direct, immediate, and far more lasting change.

      Irish-Americans experienced many of the same atrocities and oppression back in the day when they were the unwanted immigrants. Then, they figured out that by becoming police officers, they could not only police their own communities and put an end to the oppression, but that they could also then influence other communities and use that influence to win public office. Nobody fcks with the Irish-American community anymore, right? That is not an accident. That is the consequence of a choice made by the Irish-American community over the past 3-4 generations.

      The blueprints are out there and can be followed if our people ever become interested in changing our condition.

  9. Peace to Ed,

    Much respect to the things you’re posting. But as the man above your post stated and as I am about to state again. You’re pigeon holing yourself with your labeling habits. I in no way am attempting to reduce this article to labeling I am simply pointing out that as you continue to use labeling as a crutch you undermine the importance of this article. Which have already stated before as having merit.

    In no way does a being at a university constitute a black issue.. That is obvious. The real issue is why do I see more of my people under the poverty line then any other race and what I can do in this world to change that. That should be our main focus.

    It is disappointing to see that when I raise a more broad question you are reduced to emotionalism and want to undermine my points and ignore the meat of my posts. My brotha I know what you’re trying to say I am simply asking you to make yourself more clear at risk of sounding ignorant. I have read many articles on your page for a long time and respect your mind. Thus I know you have an intuition for deeper issues. And when I bring them up you reduce me to a “hipster” its sad my brotha.

    If you think I am trying to avoid the complex issues then I am concerned at what you believe the complex issues are. I have highlighted them in my posts. Hipsters are not a complex issue. Focusing on a small group is an emotional reaction. Our place in government is what matters. Black owned business’ are what matters. Being financially independent as a community is what matters. Having control of the way we’re perceived is what matters. Not being subject to a corrupt nations racist policies that govern our housing, education, food, and families is what matters.

  10. I don’t believe I done anything but pissed off some hipsters who struggling to identify themselves and currently gnashing at their teeth. Don’t take it personal but anyone reading the comments you guys put out see this. And I’m not condescending but we need to be objective.

    Quite frankly neither of you wrote not one line of a serious black issue. Going to see an open casket of a teenage black girl killed over stupid crap…that’s heavy. President Obama cutting funding to Section 8 and heating assistance to appease the GOP and you see old black women with oxygen masks in line looking for help..that’s heavy. I can go on but you guys want argue the lightweight hipster stuff be taken as serious as the heavy stuff. You can write as many paragraphs as you want but this is what any black person dealing with the heavy issues are actually reading. out of your comments and statements.

    You guys are appearing to want the lightweight stuff like black college students dabbling with socialism to weigh equally on the scale as black heavyweight issues like hyper-gentrification.

    Like I said I know the majority of my readers are not from 16th and Pulaski on the West Side of Chicago dealing with the heavy issues of black unemployment, black on black crime and food deserts. They don’t discuss these when they actually have to live under and die off those heavy issues.

    Hipsters want “equality in blackness” sitting on the lightweight side of the scale instead of work to take the heavy load of real black issues off those impacted. This is not an “we can have both” but this is weight distribution management and black hipsters are trying not to carry the weight.

    When I was in college as a black student I learned how to be an underground hacker and rolled with many of the people who we all grown up in the tech industry. I started several businesses using my student loan for funding and my girlfriend crib and shared dinner. As a result I have business+tech skills to offer to tackle the heavy issues. I can be a hipster who just got back from San Francisco but I don’t push my personal black hipster problems out there to compete with heavy black problems – I’m on the team to fight the heavy stuff.

    As a tech expert I mentor and observe young students from India Korea and China who can go on and on with the heavy stories but they in college with their head down learning skills to build up India South Korea and China. These countries have nation builders under 35 years old. So you actually want me to take these black student activists in the photo above seriously?

    Black community do have to make a difference and distinction between the heavy issues the majority of black folks are facing and the light stuff the hipsters are facing and weigh into the strategy.

    Now the question or concern about real black or fake blacks – there is no such thing. The only thing real is the struggle blacks have to face. Hipster blacks should be highly educated to better fight the struggle than the majority of black people and hipsters with problem they are more than qualified to resolve on their own is not a priority in the real struggle. The real question is are the black hipsters going to take some of the weight off the heavy side?

  11. JohnQ

    President Obama first years in office was that of someone who avoided heavy black issues and is pretty awkward at handling them. In all true honesty President Obama is a Chicago Hyde Park University of Chicago black hipster – that is what he is.

    The President don’t have the knack to tell hardcore gangbangers to stop killing each other in Chicago. But as you indicated the President do have the leverage to build up infrastructure to support and empower the black hipsters with light rail in Atlanta and Charlotte and HBCU funding.

    So what have the black hipsters done on their part to pay it forward?

  12. Let me clear the air so this aspect is not carried out further:

    * blackness is not an identity, it is a race-structured devised by racists to impose upon a group of people with laws and structure and social environment.
    * Those who are the most impacted by these racist structures have to deal with the most “blackness” as they do not have neither the proper resources or proper means to fight and overcome.
    * Those less impacted are those those risen up the socioeconomic status and education level who do have at their disposal proper resources and proper means to fight and overcome racist structures.

    real blackness and real black issues = someone deeply impacted by black issues and can we all can define the problem and severity and the impact.

    fake blackness and fake black issues = someone who claim to have black issues that are not measurable, have alternative resolution paths and can be resolved through their own accord but these people instead choose to portray and broadcast themselves as a victim in a trendy and hipster fashion.

    In order to be a hipster black victim, they need the base of real black victims to create their derivative of a hipster black problem. If the black community base solve all their black issues, the black hipster will have nothing to base their grievances upon. In a sense, it benefits hipster/Boule to keep poor black people victimized to justify/rationalize their hipster oppression…

  13. Ed you’re struggling to read other people’s word my brotha. Open your mind and listen.

    What everyone is trying to say to you is these people you call black hipsters are trying to put themselves in a position to solve “heavy issues” of the black community which I already discussed earlier in my posts.

    “Black owned business’ are what matters. Being financially independent as a community is what matters. Having control of the way we’re perceived is what matters. Not being subject to a corrupt nations racist policies that govern our housing, education, food, and families is what matters”

    You say not one of those is a line about serious black issues? The reason we deal with the heavy issues is due to lack of the things I just talked about in our communities. Resulting in no finances being put back into our communities resulting in more poverty resulting in more crime.. What are you missing in my posts? I am trying to make it clear as to the ORIGIN OF OUR HEAVY ISSUES. You say no one wrote one line about heavy black issues then talk about your mentoring foreign children? Thats a beautiful but what does that have to do with bringing out people out of oppression.. What does that have to do with lowering the murder rates or bringing our people out of poverty.

    You are completely avoiding a discussion and labeling anyone who doesn’t use your vernacular as black hipster.. Lol just listen and quit being emotional. Don’t be afraid to learn. No one is arguing on your points of what a real issue to community is.. When was that ever in question? The name of the game is solutions.. Thats what my goal and gift to the community, solutions.

    Peace to you brotha, but you’re backwards right now.

  14. This is a (hopefully) productive exchange of ideas and reader feedback. Nobody is attacking you or your opinions. From following your other posts, I’ve noticed their seems to be a pattern of attacking your readers when they contribute to the discussion in any way which does not overtly acquiesce to, or concede to, all of your points or point of view. Hopefully, you will accept this as constructive feedback and not hostile criticism.

    Pump da brakes, Brah. You are alienating your audience.

    I read your replies but I have no response because I am left confused and bewildered as to why so much stated in your comments was omitted from the article. I also do not think it is a valid assertion to state that most of the people reading are thinking, yadda, yadda, yadda because there is a comment section where readers can – well – say what we think. 😉

    I do not know if you realize it, but I would imagine the overwhelming majority of your readership are, in fact, the “Hipsters” you ostensibly despise.

    Let’s take an informal poll of those still reading this far into the comments. Please reply to this comment and identify yourself as either “Hipster”, or “Real Black”, or “Real Black Hipster”, or something else. If you would like to elaborate on your qualifications for said label, it would be interesting to read that feedback, too.

    I think both the replies and the quantity of replies will be quite revealing…


    I proposed a few specific, actionable solutions in my comments above. To recap, they were primarily:

    1. Vote
    2. Run for public office
    2. Pursue careers in law enforcement.

    Our community is long on rhetoric and complaining, but short on specific, actionable solutions. I welcome all feedback and specific solutions others might have.

  15. Hopefully we can continue building discussions like this, as we all gain from debates of this nature.

    I am a student. Human Being.

  16. JohnQpublic where did you grow up at in Baltimore? I grew up down the Westside shopping center area Southwestern HS grad.There was 1,000 kids in my sophomore class at Southwestern and three yrs later only 200 would graduate from HS there. That is a HUGE issue that has been going on in b-more for 40 years

    1. I lived all over Baltimore, including Edmondson Village. I recall people getting jumped at the bus stops near that high school as being a problem. It was a neighborly area until the White homeowners moved out during the mid-1980s and started renting to “us”. I was last through that area during a 2013 visit. It has totally gone to hell.

  17. Great article that shares my sentiment of these “Bourgeoisie” liberal blacks. DMV(DC area is the poster child of this class). Most blacks in my opinion don’t really care about black issues. They only care about how much “whites” care about them. Which is the crux of “the black lives matter movement”. The reactionary “whites” think it’s hate, but don’t realize that these protesters are screaming “accept me”.

  18. How do you feel about this Scalia case then? He says that black students can’t compete in schools like UT and should be in what he calls “lower track” schools.

    Follow me on this:

    My point here is that Scalia, a judge in the HIGHEST COURT IN AMERICA does not give a flying fuck where you buy your lattes or car or what part of town you’re from: if you’re Black, then you’re just that: Black. and he seems to think Black= inferiority.

    Scalia shares the same opinion as most Americans. And institutionalized racism affects ALL Black people.

    But the response to Scalia’s comments (#StayMadAbby) are from educated Black folks showing off their degrees from prestigious universities. Law degrees. Engineering degrees. Medicine degrees.

    And you saying, and I quote: ” that the black community cannot rely on the black middle-class for a damn thing because the black middle-class is content on having a suburban home, corporate job and a used E-class Mercedes they bought at CarMax.” is fucking bullshit to the umpteeth degree.

    Because these Black students (the ones responding to Scalia by showing off their success) will have a bountiful harvest from the seeds they worked so hard to sow. But fuck them, right? Because they’re successful and somehow don’t know the struggle and can’t offer anything to the conversation of Black Lives Matter? Respectfully, PLEASE get the fuck outta here with that.

    And that’s just one example. There’s countless others. You shitting on Black folks because they achieved success (and therefore aren’t worth anything) is utterly ridiculous. Please correct me now if I misunderstood you.

    Are you still with me? good:

    The reason I take such offense to this is because I grew up in a fatherless household, living on government-assistance and free lunches in some of the worst apartment complexes imaginable (drugs, prostitutes, gangs, murders, you name it, I was around it). And, in case you haven’t guessed it by now, I’m Black.

    But I turned 18, moved out, got a job, and went to college. And now I have a corporate job and drink $5 lattes. And you want to shit on ME for that? And want to say that MY Black voice doesn’t matter or isn’t as important or genuine simply because of the status I’ve worked hard to achieve?

    As I type this, with the fiery passion of 1,000 jackhammers, I resent and reject this rhetoric wholeheartedly. Don’t try to shame #BlackExcellence (which is what I read this post as).

    Myself, and my other Liberal Black friends from places such as NYU and UT, would still be sitting in the back of the bus or being the last ones served at the restaurant 60 years ago. Our status be damned.

    You should hear our voices and accept us into the ranks. We aren’t fucking worthless “bourgeoisie coons” or whatever other derogatory term you want to call us. Black Lives Matter isn’t a trend; it actually MEANS something to us just as much as it means to you. And don’t you DARE for an instant think that because Blacks are successful they can assimilate into White America. That’s a misconception that’s hurting us (as evidence by this very post that I am responding to).

    Because as Justice Scalia reminded us (again, I remind you, judge of the HIGHEST COURT IN AMERICA) the image of Black (in all of its forms) as inferior is still in the (White) American subconscious. And until the day comes that that changes, we are ALL in this together.

    1. No one said you are worthless bourgeoise coons – but your issues are comparatively worthless to real black issues we are facing right now. Quite frankly, I’m extremely disconnected and don’t even care what you said because we are dealing with serious black issues 2015-2016 to even take what you wrote seriously. You should have brought this up back in 2009 instead of saying “President Obama is not the President of Black America but all of America” and that’s what you black hipsters were saying back then…remember?

      As I stated before, you can resolve these hipster rants you just wrote. First of all, you can just keep it moving about what Scalia said because it ain’t a damn thing you can do about it – he is the law of the land and he has other justices to blunt him, not your fight and a damn thing you can do about it, except be emotionally worked up like you are as a typical ineffectual hipster.

      The showing off of degrees and #StayMadAbbey – let me know when yall “arrived” black hipsters can show off some black economic development in the black community as a result of those damn degrees yall hipsters showing off. Abbey ain’t mad at all – she got white privilege and you hipsters can go to a HBCU as a resolution – meaning you hipsters have a resolution path to the matter you brought up.

      Poor blacks and the black community have real damn issues and it is your responsibility to address the serious issues affecting them because you are in a capable position – the poor blacks and black community are too deep in stuff to be caring about your hipster problems. So why have you even brought this nonsense forward?

  19. I explained, in great detail, why I brought this “nonsense” forward and don’t feel like reiterating. You’re obviously very smart, but I just disagree with these broad accusations against people like me (i.e. “Black Hipsters”).

    You seem to think that being Black and a “Hipster” means that we all the sudden don’t care about socioeconomic empowerment in the Black Community.

    You seem to think that “arrived” black hipsters (as you stated) don’t graduate to go on and become pro bono lawyers or community health doctors for low income families or become teachers or religious leaders or counselors or community leaders or politicians. And if you DON’T think that’s true, well then, you’re not paying attention.

    You seem to think that the murders and rapes are forgotten by us. As if we don’t notice the COMPLETE lack of attention the Daniel Holtzclaw case received, when in fact (and it is a fact) that if those 13 women he raped happened to be white, we’d STILL be hearing about it on all media outlets, every t.v show, and maybe even a celebrity telethon.

    None of that is lost on us just because you think we happen to be “bourgeois.” Black hipsters being offended by micro-agressions DOES NOT EQUAL them not giving a damn about what’s happening in the Black community (a.k.a. the REAL problems).

    1. Hipsters didn’t have a damn thing to do with Daniel Holtzclaw case, the local black community activists advanced that forward – you didn’t catch on until after the legal cause moved forward. Now we got the hipsters taking credit for real black community work by claiming they made memes and twittered it, huh?

      Other than that, you just typing up rhetorical lying nonsense that has no basis in reality about what you think you are doing but you not doing but you think if you type in a comment section you doing it, then we supposed to assume that have value

  20. Lol@ Digable Planets. They didn’t have a chance in the mid 90s. What they were doing was not going to cut it when you have Nas, Biggie, 2Pac, Wu Tang, Redman, Scarface, and too many more to name(the positive cats were killing them too). The Planets had 0 charisma and no energy. And it’s hard to take someone seriously when he calls himself Butterfly. My honest assessment of them is that they were wack. Getting out was the right move for them.

Comments are closed.